Standard Horizon HX850S, VHF/GPS is here

... written for Panbo by Ben Ellison and posted on Jan 8, 2008

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I’ve been looking forward to the two VHF/GPS/DSC handhelds I heard about last Fall, but was a bit surprised to find this Standard Horizon HX850S in a magazine and also available for preorders at Landfall (Standard is great at making radios, but press releases …not so much). The 850S looks very capable if maybe a bit clunky. The built-in 12 channel GPS is not only used for a full set of DSC functions but is also output, along with DSC messages, via a NMEA 0183 cable from the radio’s cradle. 


The unit also both floats and can Standard Horizon 1850S full sizetransmit at 6 watts, two features that I think contribute to the popularity of Icom’s floating M34 and power packed M72 (also a pro favorite). I’ve been told that power management was one bugaboo of combo GPS/VHF, but Standard claims 9 hours out of a 1,150 mAh li-ion battery (by comparison, Icom claims 9 hours from the M34’s 980 mAh li-ion and 15–16 hours from the M72’s monster 2,000 mAh li-Ion, both without GPS). The HX850S also claims 700mW of audio power, versus the M72’s 600mW, and the M72 sounds good. At any rate, I’m keen to see and test the HX850S, and the coming Lowrance combo, as I think handheld VHF/DSC could be a real life saver. These radios might also work great with the Sea Smart ship-to-shore and tracking service (which hasn’t rolled out as fast as planned, but is rolling out). In fact, one of these VHF/GPS combos might make this year’s most innovative marine electronics lists.

PS There’s also an HX750S which has a temp sensor instead of a GPS, and both radios have nifty (below) onscreen volume and squelch indicators, but note that neither is yet FCC approved. (My press release crack got me more information ;-)


Standard HX750S screen crop

Comments

Sounds interesting, but for distress, I still would rather go with the personal 406 EPRIB for $500, about twice the price of the SH radio. (I like SH radios, and own 4 of them) You can then still pick up a good water proof hand held VHF for another $170K (Icom 34M).

If you pull the SH 850S out of its cradle you loose the NMEA 0183 output--so what would you use it for? (Consider that even the smallest boats seem of have a chart plotter with output today).

I guess that the dinghy would be the best use for this radio--but again, the EPRIB, plus a vhf radio are a good combination.

Posted by: thataway4 at January 8, 2008 11:28 PM | Reply

I will only be interested in a DSC handheld when I can key in the MMSI of a vessel and talk to the helmsman. Why is this so hard to do?

Terry

Posted by: yachtvalhalla at January 9, 2008 12:55 AM | Reply

Terry, it looks like the HX850S supports both group and individual DSC calls. Or have I misunderstood your comment?

Posted by: Tim Flanagan at January 11, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply

Uniden has been making a unit like this for a few years now...

Posted by: George at March 16, 2008 11:55 PM | Reply

Yay, a floating waterproof handheld DSC radio.
I think Thataway has the NMEA ouput function confused. It is so that when connected to a NMEA chartplotter, you can see where someone else using a DSC radio's position.
This radio will transmit your location to anyone who has DSC when you transmit a DSC emergency call.
And yes, it does NOT take the place of a EPIRB, just another arsenal in case something goes wrong out in the open seas.

Safe boating

Joe

Posted by: DarthBaiter at March 20, 2008 12:47 AM | Reply

I'm curious how an MMSI is used in conjunction with a portable VHF. An MMSI is really used to describe a vessel.

If I already have an MMSI for my fixed VHF do I use that in this radio as well? Do I get a separate MMSI?

I assume I would use the same one, but in an emergency scenario where you use the radio (after all it is portable) from someone else's vessel some of the info would be incorrect, namely the vessel description.

Posted by: Brian at April 10, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply

Sorry I missed Tim Flannagan's question to me. The reason I want to call a vessel by it's MMSI and speak to the helmsman is in a situation of 'close encounter' advice from my AIS receiver/display. Calls to 'tanker on the port bow of the sailing vessel' seldom, if ever, get a reply. Calls to vessels using their name and call sign may sometimes get a reply. But a DSC call to that vessel's MMSI SHOULD get a reply.

Looking at the description of the HX850S it says "NMEA output on cradle for connection to your favorite fixed mount GPS". Why would you send GPS data to another GPS? Obviously I'm missing something.

Posted by: yachtvalhalla at April 10, 2008 8:13 PM | Reply

I would think the NMEA output on the cradle would allow it to provide DSC position data that would show up on a compatible display.

Posted by: Joe Ferrara at April 11, 2008 10:40 AM | Reply

This radio seems to have been more popular than SH expected. After the initial provision of inventory they have not been able to keep up with demand. West Marine, Defender, and Landfall Navigation are all back-ordered, with predicted delivery ranging from mid to late May '08.

When it shows up, mine will be designated dinghy radio at anchor and in the ditch bag on passage. My Icom M34 backs up the fixed Icom M502 VHF in the cockpit.

Posted by: Auspicious at April 29, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply

I've had my HX-850 for about a month now. It is a great radio, doing everything one can ask of a handheld VHF with the added benefit of a built-in GPS. It makes a wonderful dinghy radio; even with the same MMSI programmed into the HX-850 and my IC-M601 fixed VHF on the boat the DSC allows calling one another really straightforward.

Posted by: Auspicious at June 24, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply

Hmmm ... need to choose between DSC and Bluetooth. Tough decision. Either way, this certainly knocks the top notch ICOM M72 handheld out of consideration for me.


Posted by: Dan (b393capt) at June 24, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply

I just purchased this bluetooth (HX850S above). Have it next to this M72 I borrowed.

The M72 is slicker, sleeker, and the automatic squelch control is scary ... almost feels like the radio isn't working at all.

The HX850S isn't any of those things, but my first 10 minutes with the HX850S's bluetooth .. had me packing the M72 back neatly in the box.

Posted by: Dan (b393capt) at June 27, 2008 10:43 PM | Reply

I confused, Dan. The HX850S doesn't have Bluetooth. It's the HX760S that comes with a Bloetooth headset, but it doesn't have GPS/DSC:

http://tinyurl.com/46mnra

Posted by: Ben at June 28, 2008 8:49 AM | Reply

Opps, in regards to my last entry, I was confused about the part number. Didn't have the radio in my hand as I wrote the entry.

Let's try that again ...

I just purchased this bluetooth (HX760S). Had it next to this M72 I borrowed.

The M72 is slicker, sleeker, and the automatic squelch control is scary ... almost feels like the radio isn't working at all (In a few hours of use across a couple of days, I can't remember hearing a burst of static once, even during a sailboat race with 50 boats. Maybe bad memory .. but even setting the squelch at the lowest setting (1) ... and either you hear someone's voice ... or total silence.)

Maybe given some time I could get use to the squelch, but it just feels uncomfortable to me to have all that silence, and no option to decrease the squelch (I had the lowest setting of 1). Especially, a couple of times I radio'd from what I thought was a reasonable range, and got no response, I think the squelch was preventing reception. I also don't like that the squelch button is hidden under the PTT button.

However, have to underline the M72 is slick, sleek, just the right size for my hand, and clearly a feels like a solid radio (ok it is a little heavy, but it has a large battery also)

The HX760S isn't slick or sleek. Perhaps I could use the word fat. However, in just the first 10 minutes with the HX760S's bluetooth (that's 10 minutes after the 15 minutes of setup and reading instructions to mate the bluetooth to the radio, grumble) .. I was packing the M72 back neatly in the box for return.

Dan


Posted by: Dan (b393capt) at June 28, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply

Is it possible to use all the functions of the HX850S without an MMSI number? as it is a hand held.

Posted by: Rob at October 23, 2008 8:55 PM | Reply

I don't believe that any of the DSC functions work without an MMSI, Rob. But why would you want them to? An MMSI is free, and easy to optain.

Posted by: Ben at October 23, 2008 11:16 PM | Reply

Ben, Thank you for a great 2 weeks of postings and discussions!

Posted by: Dan (b393capt) at October 24, 2008 9:55 AM | Reply

standard Horizon HX850S resellers in UK or DK ?

Regards, Peter Kehlet, Denmark

Posted by: Peter Kehlet at October 24, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply

Hi Ben, thank you for the reply, the reason I asked was: I was told I can not have an MMSI number as I do not have a vessel to attach it to! I wanted the Vhf for when I was in my kyack or in my friends pleasure/fishing boat that does not a vhf. Rob

Posted by: Rob at October 25, 2008 11:36 PM | Reply

Hi Rob, The one MMSI per vessel concept does not work well for portable DSC radios like the HX850S, and the regulations have not yet caught up with that reality.

I just did some experimenting with one of my BoatUS MMSI registrations and can tell you that it is possible to register vessel name as something like "12' yellow kayak". Some sort of state registration # is required on the form, but it will take a state driver's license #, and there's a comment field in which you could explain that you did that. It strikes me that if you fill out the form with as much true information as possible, no one should find fault.

Posted by: Ben at October 26, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply

I thought of using the MMSI from my son's boat since I am on a variety of boats in MD and ME. Perhaps a driver's license would be better. Using "Some Boat" may not count although if they would just provide for repeat entries by the user the problem would go away. Doug

Posted by: MaineFog at October 26, 2008 7:07 PM | Reply

I think that handheld DSC VHF radios should be able to have an MMSI number registered to a person instead of to a boat, and I know that a number of people in the regulatory bodies agree. But it may take some time to happen.

Posted by: Ben at October 26, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply

Hi Ben, thank you for all of your help, I live in Canada and expected to have even more problems, but after initially being told “they don’t like it but may can assign a number to kayak, however it would then be illegal to use the handheld on any other vessel”. I pushed a little harder and managed to get a MMSI number assigned to “various vessels” and “length various meters” Thanks again Rob

Posted by: Rob at October 30, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply

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